{ Spooks, 8x05. }

[delga]

"There's no art
To find the mind's construction in the face:
He was a gentleman on whom I built
An absolute trust."
Macbeth 1.4, 11-14

+     Didn't we do this with Anthony Head in season 1?

+     And also, to some extent, last week?

+     Ros: a mind of many levels. Triangulate the call? Excellent work.

+     "No, I'm not bloody all right." She sounded so irritated. Beautiful.

+     Ros' father-figures are a dangerous bunch. That probably explains a lot.

+     Extracting Maynard was ACE. Exit 19!

+     reused sets: where the team first met Adam; where Harry met the Americans last year. Not even re-decorated.

+     "Who is she? Is she Russian?" I'm sorry; I totally lol'd. IT'S ALWAYS THE RUSSIANS.

+     MINA BARINOVA! I should point out that I didn't really understand the plot at that point. Colville was obsessed with the girl and was going after those he thought were responsible for her death?

+     I thought Ros had an apartment?

+     This is much more interesting than Daddy!angst. I like the idea of pitting Ros against someone who understands her reactions, and then her having to outwit herself (almost). Ros is unexpected, so to be more unexpected is to be what exactly? It's lovely to watch.

+     It's also lovely because of what I was trying to say re: wanting Ros to face Sarah/Christine 2.0: when you put Ros against a traitor, you pit her against herself. And in a lot of ways she's always the master of her own undoing (approaching the mirror, gun drawn; only Ros in that scene, both sides of her). Daddy!issues do come into it, of course, but when she talks to Colville, that's a different kind of sadness. I think it must be what she fears becoming: the coup, then Yalta, and then Connie. Or maybe I'm thinking about this too much.

+     The shot made me scream out loud. Not kosher.

+     (Tariq's accent is wonderful, by the way. I can't place the consonants at all, but it's delightful.)

+     "Were you in love with her?" No, really, Peter Salter all over again. But different. It's a different mirror.

+     "Reap as you sow, Ros; reap as you sow." Lol, it's like the whole episode was written JUST FOR ME.

+     OHHHH IT'S ABOUT JO. I should have guessed that already.

+     "Don't make a decision you can't live with. That's what you taught me." That explains a lot.

+     The suicide was fairly predictable, no?

+     RUTH: SUPERSLEUTH. I loved Ros trying to butter the wound, arguing for Sarah, not against.

+     The Ros&Lucas relationship is SO INTERESTING to me! Like: she totally tasered him that one time! And now she's his boss and feels responsible for him. But also, they're kind of on a par! AND SO PROFESSIONAL.

+     AAAAHHHHHHH NEXT WEEEEEEEK! Ros sounds hilarious, lol. Every time she's faced with an idiot, she gets just that bit sharper.

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I'm exhausted. Also, UGH, I am kind of done with the type of Ros fan who is prone to forgiving her everything. STOP IT YOU ARE MAKING HER BORING. The whole point of Ros' amazingly compartmentalised psyche is that it makes her blind to a lot of shit sometimes and sometimes it makes her Super Aware. (That was not a spoiler, btw. Just an observation.) She was aware of what she was doing when she shot Jo and she did it anyway. WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT HER? It says obsessive fans need to stfu and let the character be ffs.

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Tired. Sleeping.

Comments

[delgaserasca.livejournal.com]

I don't know. I think most Ros fans (self included) are a lot of the time Ros-apologists.

I am more interested in seeing how this episode stacks up against the Peter Salter one in season 1. Ros' sympathy for Colville is telling, if only because of her relationship with her father.

But I'm aware that my interest in this episode (most episodes) is proportional to how much screen time Hermione Norris gets, which annoys me. About myself! I get annoyed when Lucas fans do it! AND I DO IT ALL THE TIME. /raging hypocrite I would like to be able to look at the episode as a whole, but I'm not capable.

[odainath.livejournal.com]

Hey, I'm an obsessive fan! lol.

Nah, deep down I do know that Ros is seriously fucked-up in the head. Helping her father with a coup, then Yalta, then Connie's asture observation that had her reeling. It made me smile when Harry was going on last year about 'exposing a traitor' and it's like 'HELLO, WHO ARE YOU SITTING ACROSS FROM, YOU MORON!!!'

It is - if I'm honest with myself - surprising she's not in prison.

And she would have had to be aware she would kill Jo when she pulled the trigger. She's got a good enough aim to hit a person in the chest, hence also hitting Jo in the chest and despite what many films and television shows portray those injuries are generally FATAL. Hello, heart and lungs, quite crucial to a living person. Sorry, I always roll my eyes when you see a person shot in the chest who gets up and has one last heroic stand whilst clutching a wound. Oh, for gods's sake just die, already!

*takes a breath*

That was one of the things I adored about episode 8 last season; the scene with Connie in the alley. It completely made me think 'OMFG Spy!Gran is right!' That and Ros' line of 'I made my decisions' and she gets on with it. It's like she sees no point in dwelling in the past; she did it, it may have been wrong but she's moved on. In Ros' mind: problem solved.

I have got to see this episode. Damn the whole living in Australia thing. :(

[delgaserasca.livejournal.com]

I am never going to understand people who read episode reactions before watching the show.

re: obsessive fan, yes, I know.

As I was saying to londonspook most Ros fans - me too, by the way - are Ros apologists. We will sit here and say, yes, okay, she's A, B & C and then we'll say, but we don't care. Which is stupid of us. It's stupid of Adam fans who were constant Adam apologists; it's stupid of Harry fans who are constant Harry apologists; it's stupid of Lucas obsessives. But it's also the nature of fandom, to put blinkers on what appeals to you.

So. I love Ros. But I think most Ros fans are fucking ridiculous.

[odainath.livejournal.com]

You have no idea how much that must made me laugh.

"fucking ridiculous" - that is so dreadfully true, I hadn't realised I was that bad. Ah well, there are worse things I could do.

Though I did say (in a roundabout way) that I thought the whole 'let's skim over Yalta completely and have everyone trust Ros' thing a bit silly.

As for the reason for watching episode recaps... call it a compulsion. I have to know what's going on as soon as possible. I've been this way since childhood. lol.

[delgaserasca.livejournal.com]

"fucking ridiculous" - that is so dreadfully true, I hadn't realised I was that bad. Ah well, there are worse things I could do.
Lol. Well. It's me, too, so the judgement is all round.

[green-bottles.livejournal.com]

I loved this episode. Probably because I loved the Anthony Head episode, but also because it was Ros vs. herself and she fascinates me. The funny thing is, I never used to like her, it was only when she came back last year that I actually began to warm to her. This year, though, she has surpassed sliced bread. I haven't 'forgiven' her, per se, for doing some of the stuff she's done, but I've realised that if she hadn't done it, she wouldn't be Ros. And that would suck.

Re Sarah, at least she doesn't insist on calling Lucas 'Lucas North' constantly. Small mercies.

I screamed too at the shot. I found Ros and Coleville's confrontation/cat&mouse game really scary, which surprised me, because I knew he wasn't going to kill Ros.

What happened in the trailer for next week? I missed it.

[delgaserasca.livejournal.com]

I liked the Salter episode, too, albeit for different reasons.

Yes, a lot of people didn't like Ros initially (in the same way that a lot of people weren't all that into Jo for a year and a half at least). But I do feel we tend to apologise for these characters a lot.

re: Sarah - all she needs to do now is pick an accent! Any accent! Just stick to it!

You know, I don't remember? lol. Someone with a very strong accent who has something to do with banking...something? There was just one great shot of Ros basically telling him not to be a twat, and it made me laugh. It looks daft; I look forward to it.

[inflightdata.livejournal.com]

I will come back to this post later because I may or may not have been reasonably inebriated while watching that episode. Oh my God, Ros Myers. Tomorrow morning!