planning the revolution

RPJ is on his way out, he's been saying so for ages, but who knows? Yeah, Adam kills her; she begs him to so that she doesn't get tortured/raped more by their captors who are the people behind Zaf's death.

Edited Date: 2007-12-18 10:39 pm (UTC)

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melliyna.livejournal.com

I'm excited now (I don't have

spooky_doings watched because of spoiler worry issues), even though I guess I spoiled myself a bit by reading this.

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Hee. Well, as the mod I try super hard to avoid spoilers in the comm, and we haven't had any this season (yay). I think this season was very good, all things considered, so you have something wonderful to look forward to. Though, yes, you have spoiled yourself, lols.

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I think it was more about removing temptation for me *smiles* It be very hard when there's all these shiny cut texts and you can't click on most of them ;)

*is totally spoiled and doesn't mind. By the time it gets to Australia I will have forgotten anyway* I think I am going to like series five and six (especially because as an actress, I love Hermione Norris).

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Ah, okay. Well. I forgive you. (lols.)

HERMIONE NORRIS. SHE IS FABBOLICIOUS.

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Well thank god for you posting this! I had exactly the same reaction - to the episode and to the anticipated discussions in fandom.

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Heh, well, I was pretty certain I'd have you to back me up. (Is that conceit of some variation, making that assumption? Also, I think this marks about 3 years of us having known each other?)

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We should celebrate! I totally missed my LJ anniversary, which was 8 December. *throws virtual confetti*

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Yes, I was just about to ask when that was. But I think you possibly have other things to celebrate (re: the novel)?

I feel like writing some old school Spooks fanfiction. Except I'm in the middle of this crossover, so that will likely have to wait for a little while. (I re-read our collaboration recently, whilst I recoded it. I really want to edit both that and Hard Liquor, but I lack the patience.)

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Please do write some old school Spooks! I'm having to stay away from writing fanfic because of, yep, the novel and what not. But I'd love to read any fic you write. Hard Liquor was a masterpiece.

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Plz to be telling me where I can read Hard Liquor?

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Ah. You can find it here (http://delgaserasca.livejournal.com/2001/01/01/) but I feel I should warn you - Tiger's a darling, but it's not that great a read (it's one of the first fics I published on LJ) it needs a lot of editing. Also, I know you didn't warm to Tja and she features heavily.

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If she is dead, I quit. Not because of the violence or Adam killing her, or Zaf's truly shitty ending, but because I cannot take any more of Adam angsting over a dead woman. I really can't.

I'll be in denial till next September about this ;)

(also, dear Kudos: thanks for making Jo ace in the episode where you possibly kill her off, you bastards!)

I did enjoy some parts (the monkey line, the kids in the schools, Malcolm, Jo) but other parts were just a bit 'meh'. It didn't really feel like a series end.

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But see, I swear RPJ has been harping on about this season is his last. So if we can just stretch beyond Adam, it might just be worth it. re: Zaf, that is - other than Sam - hands down the worst ending a character has ever been given. Did Jaffrey even want to leave? I've heard nothing.

(Haha, YES. She was pretty fabulous this week. I love when she's calling Adam on his BS. Scary.)

I felt it did feel like your usual season finale - it just didn't quite feel like it fit with the overall 'regime' of this season. Like, it had no real connection to the Iran story, or to Yalta, or to anything that the series had been building on for the past 9 episodes.

re: the bitching above, that was some half-hearted malice. Half the fun of the comm is other people's reactions. But much like the cast structure on the show, people's reactions are pretty much by rote.

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But see, I swear RPJ has been harping on about this season is his last.

>>> He has, and he is a lying BASTARD.

So if we can just stretch beyond Adam, it might just be worth it.

>>>If Jo is dead and we lose/destroy Fuckwit Carter as well, then they will only have four characters.

re: Zaf, that is - other than Sam - hands down the worst ending a character has ever been given. Did Jaffrey even want to leave? I've heard nothing.

>>>I really hope he did, because that gives me some little bit of comfort. Slightly worse than Sam’s given how there was an undercurrent of ‘will he return?’, which I bet Kudos would deny.

I felt it did feel like your usual season finale - it just didn't quite feel like it fit with the overall 'regime' of this season. Like, it had no real connection to the Iran story, or to Yalta, or to anything that the series had been building on for the past 9 episodes.

>>>I KNOW. I really have no idea what the point of the one-mission series was if they were just going to chuck it out at the end!

re: the bitching above, that was some half-hearted malice. Half the fun of the comm is other people's reactions. But much like the cast structure on the show, people's reactions are pretty much by rote.

>>Oh, I know (for example, I know full well that I will be watching next year, Wonder Cock or no). It’s why I stick on LJ and don’t go near the other forums. Although the reactions I’ve seen seem to be pretty restrained.

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Isn't Norris back for the next season? Wait. How many characters does that make? I can't actually count. But I'm all for castrating Wonder Cock as soon as possible.

It's interesting to see how this fandom changes from one year to the next. I can tell the old faithfuls from the newbies, for example.

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Yes, but as the interview spoiler referred to her as having 'finished filming her scenes', I took that to mean she'd only be in a few episodes. However, in my usual way with Spooks spoilers, I have decided this means 3 episodes and wait to be proved wrong...

Oh, absolutely. And I think a lot of the newbies from last series/series 4 gave up on us and went off to other forums!

I would say you can tell by the fic, but the amount of fic this series is negligible and I haven't been able to read any of it yet.

I do love seeing comments by people who say stuff like 'this is the first episode I've seen!' when they're talking about series 6. I wonder where they've been, and then I feel old...

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Adam is apparently dying in a blaze of glory "early in Season 7." Poor RPJ thinks he can carry off a high-powered acting career after that, which on the evidence of his utterly blah performances in anything that wasn't Spooks (from Jane Austen to Stephen Poliakoff), is a Bad Bet, sunshine.

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Good point about Adam's endless angst BUT if I were Miranda Raison I wouldn't want to come back because, frankly, how could she EVER top that performance? I mean, EVER? That was one of the best screen exits of all time and, for that reason only, I hope she's gone. Not because I wouldn't like to see her back, but because it would dilute the impact of that exit. And if you think about it - she will have been the weapon of Adam's demise. He thinks the torture ended with the batons and the threats but this way Jo gets to torture Adam for the rest of time. Damn! That job was meant to be MINE.

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but because it would dilute the impact of that exit
Exactly! There's no way she could top that.

I really have nothing to add to your comment, other than: I agree completely. Although you'd probably be much better at torturing Adam. More imagination and all that...

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I shall take that as a compliment. *g*

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Ah, yes, that came out unintentionally double-edged. (But I've read parts of Tiger Trapped; I've seen your skills!)

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I only read the single edge, I promise. Sadly, if I was in a position to torture Adam it would not be in the interests of ironing out any kink other than the deep desire to see him suffer. I save the special skills for the people I like. Oh dear. I think I may be a worse deviant than I thought. Maybe.

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More likely I feel Adam is particularly deserving. (Apparently he only likes new recruits if he's shagged them first, which is why he doesn't take to Kaplan, I imagine. No chance to show him some Wonder Cock.)

I've left a note with Han suggesting we should come up with a list of ways to resurrect Zaf and do away with Adam.

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Excellent plan. And, yes, what was that with Kaplan? I mean, fair enough, I sort of wish Ben would close his mouth properly, but he's still better than Adam by about a million miles. The Wonder Cock explains everything, I think. Let's face it, when Jo said that line about "sick incontinent dogs", she was talking about Adam, wasn't she. I'm not even going to bother making that a question.

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See! The kid's mouth is open! He's waiting for Adam to take him behind the bikesheds and do his worst. Sigh. Kaplan, if only you knew the damage Wonder Cock can do to you. (That's it. I refuse to call Adam by his name any longer.)

You mean there was a way of interpreting that as not about Adam? Hadn't even considered it.

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To be sung to the tune of Spiderman:

Wonder Cock, Wonder Cock
Are you wondering if we give a fock?
'Cause we don't, we really can't
Hope you die and if you don't
Look out!
We'll cook your Wonder Cock! (in a wok)

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Ha! Fabulous! I think my favourite part is (in a wok). Well, that's one way we can offer up to Han.

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In the dead of night!
At the scene of the crime!
Is Wonder Cock in sight?
Is he fuck, he's having a whine.

Wonder Cock, Wonder Cock
etc

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I will respond properly later when I'm not dying of laughter.

I too wish Ben would close his mouth.

If I do write Adam/ben fic, I'll know who to blame.

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... hahahaha, I see we agree on the best line of that little gem.

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I think the parentheses make it, heh.

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"In a wok"!!!!

*dies and is cooked to heaven*

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More likely I feel Adam is particularly deserving. (Apparently he only likes new recruits if he's shagged them first, which is why he doesn't take to Kaplan, I imagine. No chance to show him some Wonder Cock.)

>>> OMG. Hadn’t twigged that was why he didn’t like him. HAHAHA!

Also, I feel a 28DL/WL fic is in order, where Adam is Infected and has to get his skull bashed in.

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And Jo should be the one who gets to do it. (I mean, it's only fair. And her angst would make her stronger. Unlike Wonder Cock.)

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I only read the single edge, I promise. Sadly, if I was in a position to torture Adam it would not be in the interests of ironing out any kink other than the deep desire to see him suffer. I save the special skills for the people I like. Oh dear. I think I may be a worse deviant than I thought. Maybe.

>>> The reason I cannot bring myself to write Adam being injured in fic is that I would not stop. There would be no plot or point, it would just be about him being injured. Lots.

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Good point about Adam's endless angst BUT if I were Miranda Raison I wouldn't want to come back because, frankly, how could she EVER top that performance? I mean, EVER? That was one of the best screen exits of all time and, for that reason only, I hope she's gone.

>>>Point. I am torn (as per usual this series) between wanting things to go badly for Adam and wanting things to go well for other people (because of course it is All About Adam, and God knows no-one else can have a crisis without him being involved)

Not because I wouldn't like to see her back, but because it would dilute the impact of that exit. And if you think about it - she will have been the weapon of Adam's demise. He thinks the torture ended with the batons and the threats but this way Jo gets to torture Adam for the rest of time. Damn! That job was meant to be MINE.

>>> But would she? Because he never has to pay for anything, not really. It's always someone else's fault (see ep 9)

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